Religious people often argue that the complexity of the universe necessitates a creator. Following this logic, it stands to reason that this creator (who would be more complex than the universe it created) would also need to be created.
The usual unprovable and unsatisfying answer is that god was before space, time, and matter and so the issue of causality does not apply to him.
For you religious people, how did you rationalize to yourself that the earth needed a creator but a vastly more complex being like your god didn’t need a creator? Or is this yet another one of those "you just gotta have faith" things? Thanks for your time!
Update:No Chance Without Jesus: Very good questions...where did mass and energy in the big bang come from? Your answer is "Can't prove it but I have faith that god did it." My answer is, "I don't know." We're both being honest, but only one of our answers leaves room for future questions and perhaps future answers/revelations.
Use Your Brain: I love the irony here. Your screen name says use your brain but your answer says shut off your brain if people ask certain tricky questions. Lovely.
DantheMan: You seem like a nice enough fellow but you missed the point of the question. This wasn’t mean to address evolution or to argue whether or not evolution is a reality or not. If I filter out your mental gymnastics, your basic answer is god exists infinitely even though we can’t prove it or even understand it, so “you just gotta have faith.” Thanks.
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I, God am not more complex than the universe.
Honorable Elijah Muhammad Through Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan teach us
Our History Written Stars - as far back as the man goes Trillion of yrs and eons of Times, the Woman was there. "About the Woman's Origin, Taught us that when God was fashioning Himself out of darkness or the dark womb of space, he proclaimed this production to the second part of Himself as the female aspect of his own creation. She is referred to as co-creator and co-producer in his own self-creation. Thus, she is called the twin of Himself. So as he looked at His creation, he honored the entire universe after her. star formation that is responsible for creating the molecular material of our DNA and genetic coding
Sun of our Solar Galactic System as the powerful source of the gravitational and attracting force on our nine planets the light of which causes all of them to rotate at the same speed of 1,037 1/3 miles per hour around the Sun. Taught us that these planets all have life on them representing different civilizations and worlds that have come to birth in the circle of the Sun and Vast Universe.
Teach us if God is present everything can be explain ! Then God is not spook !
There cannot be a new world except that there is a new and better understanding of the female, which will give us (men) a clearer understanding of self and above all, a clearer understanding of (God). In the Bible, (God) declares, “Behold I make all things new
What is (God’s) view of the female? She is the manifestation of His attribute of mercy to the world. She is undeserved kindness to us, for, through her we are extended through the generations. It is only through her that we live again, and again, and again. It is only through her that we continue to move toward the true perfection that (God) desires for His creation. She is the cornerstone of the family and therefore is critical in the whole process of nation and world building.
Since, the womb of our mother is sacred, then, this teaches us that the womb of every female is also sacred, for it is from her womb that all the Scientists, Prophets, Sages, Messengers, Kings, Rulers and Gods have come and will come.
It is how you first look at it from your view point. If your look through it from the science perspective, then you will come out with some concourse view of some doctored views to look at it. The question of a creator been created will default his God ship. God is the only intelligence on its own without any other things to support His Godliness.
Spiritual science have a different views to understand God as the being of His existence. When science could only observe the substance of any matter, spiritual science observe the essence of His Godliness. "Intelligence" and "consciousness" of any science of a knowledge to understand God has not been fully understood. As His superiority over His creation has denied that access to receive such "intelligence" and "consciousness" of His essence. We human have all the weakness that we need to admit. Our sickness in health, confusion in imagination and the realm of understanding remain on what has been disclosed to us with all the information that He had shown.
God can never reveal Himself to give you the truth about Him. Because that is what He wanted to hide. Not the truth about Him as God but His essence as God is not part of its creation. A car manufacture is not something that looks like a machine. The universe that He created is not to describe about His own being but to lead us to His presence self.
What we have is only the "intelligence" and "consciousness" to keep as evidence. We can sometime forget to lose that "intelligence" and we can sometime confuse to lose that "consciousness". To receive it is a gift of a privilege that does not come from our own ability to keep it as our own forever. Our memory could be erased at any moment of time.We are vulnerable to hope for that benefit of a privilege to understand God.
Not having that privilege to understand Him is where you need to find your own source to get the right information. Everything will be revealed as He had made that promise to create us. But how far we understand Him is where we became much closer to Him to use His ability.
This not about FAITH. This is about INTELLIGENCE!
Your assumption that the Creator is more complex than his creation is where you are going wrong. Things that are complex are composed of many component parts. God is not a physical being with parts of any kind, although he is one God in three persons.
Here, O Israel, the Lord our God is one.
Cheers,
Bruce
following that creationist logic of "earth is complex so it needs a creator", if only one atom of some undiscovered element existed somewhere in space, doing its normal behavior, because of its nature being incredibly hard to form: clearly the entire universe was created for that one atom
Yahoo answers is more complex than earth existing, so the universe was created so we could do yahoo answers
This question is more complex than life + me + you + yahoo answers, so clearly the universe was created so me and you could ask & answer this question
God, by very definition, is uncreated. It is consistent to believe that God would be able to exist infinitely, even if we don't understand how that is possible.
What would make very little sense, following your argument to its true logical conclusion, is that it would be very unlikely for a complex being like God to evolve from nothing. But no one is saying that. But we are saying it is still unlikely, even impossible, for complex beings like animals to evolve from nothing.
Follow the logical yellow brick road
who created the creator
who created his creator
who created his creator
who created his creator
who created his creator
Okay now
Where did the mass and energy in the big bang come from
And where did that come from
And where did that come from
And where did that come from
And where did that come from
and ...
A logic spiral ending at the good witch of the North
EXPAND your thinking beyind the narrow limits of logic
God is.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Allah's Apostle said, "Satan comes to one of you and says, 'Who created so-and-so? 'till he says, 'Who has created your Lord? ' So, when he inspires such a question, one should seek refuge with Allah and give up such thoughts."