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A lie from a Christian. . . . . I don't believe it.

A lie is a lie, and if lying is bad then lying is bad. What is hard to understand about that.

Lying for the church or god is fundamentally wrong and the justification of it is built on lies.

It is never right to lie. How could it be? "Thou shalt not lie except for once in a while." How could a religious person, or any right thinking person, think that is what was meant?

There are no good lies. People try to excuse outright lies by saying the truth is too hurtful I would rather be told a hurtful truth than to live with a lie that someone told me for "my own good". The person who told the lie would always have to be on guard around me to prevent me from knowing the truth and that would cause problems in the relationship. This is another way of saying "what they don't know can't hurt them". A lie of omission is still a lie and will cause stress in any relationship.

The thing is you can't even call it a lie. If you look at it from one angle you can say it is a lie. But if you go deep and see what the result of the act is actually doing something good. There is a story that is related to this: A preacher and a cab diver go to limbo (the place in between heaven and the underworld) and St. Peters is waiting for them. First the cab driver goes to St. Peters, and St. Peters sees the man's list of merits and sins. And gives him the gold key and the cab driver goes to heaven. Now, seeing the cab driver the preacher thinks, "If a cab diver can go to heaven, I as a preacher might get a even higher place,maybe next God himself." Then the preacher goes to St. Peters and he sees the list of merits and sins. And St. Peters gives him the key for the underworld.

The preacher is confused and angry and shouts and St. Peters and says "How can i a preacher who was telling people the words of god go to the underworld, while a cab driver who only drivers people gets to go to heaven!"

St. Peters says "No, when the cab driver was driving, he made people pray to god and have more faith one god because he was driving so wildly. But you when you were giving your lectures, people were sleeping and nothing happened to them. Here in limbo, we don't care about what you did, we care about what the result of what you did was."

So it doesn't matter if it was a lie or not, but the goodness it is creating in the world.

Thank you

Raaja

I doubt that Martin Luther ever said that! Just because someone puts an important figures name at the end of a wild statement, means nothing to me! Lies are lies. Do I do it, sure, but, I am wrong to do it. However, I don't try to justify it, and will accept responsibility for it's destructive nature.

In any hierarchized morality it may be necessary to break one moral stance to keep a higher-order one.

Telling lies to the Gestapo rather than betraying Jews to the Nazis is a commonly used example.

But making up miracle stories or pious tales in order to make Christianity more impressive? Revolting.

Possibly the most blood-stained known lie was propagated by Sergei Nilus, in "God's cause."

And thus the Protocols of Zion were promoted.

Religions are based upon such examples - therefore they are not based upon 'truth' as such - but myths - which may contain some grain of truth in them, but believers these days, do not know what that truth is.

Lies are never OK even with the best of intentions, because then anything becomes OK - like murdering innocents in the name of God, as with suicide bombers, etc etc.

And destroying entire cities - because they do not worship God - sounds familiar?

Can you lie for God? For what reason? For the sake of the Good? God is true not false. Even if one has good intent,it will not work. What is a strong lie? It is called witch craft. Only that can sway mens thoughts if not true.

God has a plan for everybody. We may not know that plan but we all get there in his timing by doing what God wants us to do. If you lie because you think you are helping this person you may be messing up God's plan. The bible specifically says that lying is a sin. He especially doesn't want you to lie and think you are helping God in His plan.

Truth can never be based on a lie or falsehood. Anything that starts out wrong will end up wrong.

Lies drive evil