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I can't think of a time when creationists don't commit an act of fallacy...

r_u_really_that_scared: I saw that video, did the narrator have some kind of Achilles heal fetish? He kept mentioning it all the time.

Lightning: It is not about intelligence when choosing faith, it's about desperation. Somebody who is desperate will take any answer just so long as it loosely satisfies their question.

Lightning, let me break it down;

- Is religion a faith?

Yes

- Does faith rely on evidence?

No

- Is it logical to accept something without evidence?

No

- Then how can these atheists have started to use logic in order to follow a faith?

They couldn't have, that statement makes no sense

--"Does faith rely on evidence?

DEFINITELY YES:"--

The definition of faith is; "Belief that does *not* rest on *logical proof* or *material evidence*"

I believe you are employing the well documented "no true Scotsman fallacy", whereby you are assuming your own definition of faith.

If you choose to ignore fact, like you have done in the case of defining faith, then there is no wonder you seek answers in religion.

I've also studied Islam, when it is written that the sperm is produced between the spine and the ribs, I began to see this was just the same con with a little more science. Don't forget that Islam is just a spawn from Judaism and Christianity, it is still built upon paganism.

This is what really gets to me about Islam, they claim to be the superior force behind the word of God.

If your religion is indeed the word of God, then why has it suffered the same corruption as the other two faiths? Why have you become a cult just like your other cousins? Why have you begun to abandon the teachings of your faith, the enforcement of the burqa which isn't part of Islam, the loss of scientific knowledge?

The refusal to educate oneself is one of the biggest sins in Islam, the limitless potential of humans is what separates us from Djinns born of greater ability. Yet the Middle East has decided to turn its back on the study of Medicine, the followings of Science, even algebra is no longer studied as it once was. Instead you have decided to join your fellow Christian and Jewish cousins in the search for a self fulfilling prophecy to catalyse the Apocalypse.

Face it, your faith is no better, or worse, than any other faith based religion. It has lost its integrity, its morality, and now its intelligence.

I would also suggest you go and research the definition of "study", yet again you have made an assumption, yet again you are wrong.

P.S. Sure I see no sense in the Trinity, but Islam's view that it is polytheistic can be counter-claimed. Water exists in three phases; liguid, gas and solid. It is still only one substance.

STEIN: Well, then, WHO did create the heavens and the earth?

DAWKINS: Why do you use the word “who”? See, you immediately beg the question by using the word “who”

STEIN: Well, then, how did it get created?

DAWKINS: Umm, well, by a very slow process.

STEIN: Well, how did it start?

DAWKINS: NOBODY KNOWS HOW IT GOT STARTED. We know the kind of event that it MUST have been. We know the sort of event that MUST have happened for the origin of life.

STEIN: And what was that?

DAWKINS: It was the origin of the first self-replicating molecule.

STEIN: Right, and how did that happen?

DAWKINS: I told you, WE DON’T KNOW

STEIN: So, you have NO idea HOW it started?

DAWKINS: No, no, nor has ANYBODY.

STEIN: Nor has anyone else. What do you think is the possibility that Intelligent Design might turn out to be the answer to some issues in genetics or in evolution.

DAWKINS: Well, it could come about in the following way. It could be that at some earlier time, somewhere in the universe, a civilization evolved, by probably by some kind of Darwinian means, probably to a very very high level of technology, and DESIGNED a form of life that they seeded onto perhaps this planet. Um, now that is a possibility, and an intriguing possibility. And I suppose it's POSSIBLE that you might find EVIDENCE for that IF YOU LOOK at the details of biochemistry, molecular biology, you might find a SIGNATURE of some sort of DESIGNER

STEIN NARRATION: Wait a second! Richard Dawkins thought that intelligent design might be a legitimate pursuit?

DAWKINS: Mm, and that DESIGNER could well be a higher INTELLIGENCE from elsewhere in the universe. That higher INTELLIGENCE would, itself, have HAD to have come about by some explicable, ultimately explicable, process. It COULDN’T have just jumped into existence spontaneously. That’s the point.

STEIN NARRATION: So, Professor Dawkins was NOT against intelligent design, just certain “TYPES” of designers… such as God.

Well what else are they going to do? Study real science?

Yes, they are.

Exactly! Atheists, WHO do u think you are?

you're not smarter than these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JW5x_GPsXc&feature...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFjCfcASMeU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rjdmZg8a0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5Jd4nLigVI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0op5MIyG3Xg

Edit: Oh I forgot this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhptKiANDeo&feature...

Edit: @Leo: I'm not saying Atheists are idiot, but they choose to disable their brains and logic, while these EX Atheists choose to use them, Watch these links TO THE END PLS:

http://www.scienceislam.com/scientists_quran.php

http://islamtomorrow.com/proofs/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scient...

@Leo: dear:

- Is religion a faith?

Yes

- Does faith rely on evidence?

DEFINITELY YES:

http://www.scienceislam.com/scientists_quran.php

http://islamtomorrow.com/proofs/

but u dont want to accept that! do u?

- Is it logical to accept something without evidence?

No, that's why we have BRAINS, and we use our logic to decide which wrong and which right.

Do u keep asking for scientific proofs for every single thing in ur life? if some one cursed you and you want to sue him, would the judge ask for a scientific evidence? or will he require logic and/or witnesses to apply his logic on the evidence? Nevertheless, Quran has it all, Scientific, Logical, Historical and STATISTICAL miracles to prove for "those" who claim they use the so called science only

- Then how can these atheists have started to use logic in order to follow a faith?

Oh you bet they did! the difference between them and the rest of the Atheists, is that they held their PRIDE for few moments and they ended up using their minds and hearts.

Dont mean to be rude or hostile, i really would like all Atheists to look at the big picture, i dont blame u actually, if i were born a Christian, I wouldn't have only become Atheist, I would have killed myself as well with all these contradictions and illogical stuff in their Bible

@Leo: For the love of God, dont talk like you know everything, Christianity is a faith built on nothing, Judaism is a faith built on nothing too (in the current days only), We Muslims believe in them because they are mentioned in our faith which is BUILT on the miracles I have mentioned, and when u say " I have studied Islam" ur like saying i have acquired a 6 years doctorate in the Islamic Religion Foundations Faculty, in the Hadith Faculty (add 4 years), Quran Facuty (add 4 years) Tafseer, Dawah, Tazkiah and the list goes on, what the hell do u know about Islam? u people kept mocking Quran becuse it said creatures were originally created form water until the latest researches proved that to be true (google it), and u read that verse which u obviously did not bother and ask about it with Scientists and Muslim scholars. However lemme list some SCIENTIFIC FACTS mentioned in QURAN you Atheists are so arrogant to accept:

-Big Bang theory

-Sun and Earth Orbit

-The fact that sun is the source of light and the moon is the reflection of the sun's light

-The Metal is formed outside earth and it had to come down on earth

-The Pulsar stars

-(My favorite) the accurate stages of the child growth in the womb of his mother

-The description of the barrier between salt water and fresh water

-The description of the inner waves deep in the sea

not to mention the following figures of how many times Sea and Land were mentioned in Quran:

Sea 32, Land 13

Sea + land = 32 + 13 = 45

Sea = 32/45*100 = 71.111111111%

Land = 13/45*100 = 28.88888889%

Coincidence? did i just stretched the meaning to mean something scientific? possible, but how many times would that occur BY CHANCE in a single book (Scientifically speaking)? they launched that website which they called the Quran Miracles ENCYCLOPEDIA cause they are so many you cant just list them.

I didn't even mention the scientific miracles in the Prophetic Sunnah, (Google the hadith of the fly's two wings)

Last but not least, if u keep on referring to non Muslim scientists, u will just get the feedback you are expecting, but if u refer to Muslim scientists and scholars, u will at least hear from the other party.

For the love of God, Aside from the above, how would "Mother Nature" create something not only efficient and productive, but BEAUTIFUL too, yes, beauty perception is not an acquired skill, how would we end up with obviously beautiful harmonious bodies, beautiful beached and seas with harmonious colors.

If the sun was closer one mile we would have been burnt, and if it was one mile further we would have been frozen

How is that all a coincidence???!

There is a wisdom which you are losing sight on,serving those people who dedicated themselves (although they believe in God) to spread this kind of belief (or disbelief) for their ideological and RELIGIOUS agenda will not be fulfilled until they fill earth with Atheism, Polytheism and Corruption!

Looking forward to hearing from you.

@Leo: hahahahaha......someone here started to use some logic instead of science when talking about Islam, that's a good step

I cannot actually deny that we are suffering the weakest stages ever, with this tight grip the western countries are laying on us, u should not be amazed by the level of ignorance and poverty the Muslim countries suffer from.

But u come in the very last 2 centuries and chose to lose sight on the 13 centuries Muslims took over the world with peace, prosperity and development

I wanna ask u a question, which is harder to discover, The fundamentals of science, or the expansions of the fundamentals? i suppose u will say the fundamentals, which were almost ALL discovered by Muslims who were powered by their religion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scient...

Why are we contradicting our teachings?

Do u really want me to introduce you to another Islamic Miracle?

We have been told 1400 years ago that we will take over the world by the power of God and we will SURELY FAIL and become miserable and pathetic by the power of God IF WE START TO ABANDON OUR DIVINE TEACHINGS!!

and that is exactly what took place, if u see the link below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

u will come to realize that once upon a time there were Muslims ruling the world WITH JUSTICE (i'm not interested in the standards u may have) and peace, why? because we actually applied the commands of God, and now we affiliate ourselves with the west as if they are other Gods, Therefore, we deserve this level of humiliation we are going through.

Good point.....and Islam is Monotheistic and sets the foundations of true Monotheism