The following is an extract from a long dialog from a JW.
“Well, some years ago my mother read an apostate lie that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society had joined the United Nations as a non-governmental organization, an NGO. She believed it. I was appalled. How could she believe such slander? The Watchtower always taught us that the United Nations was the scarlet colored wild beast and in direct opposition to Jehovah’s kingdom. They would never do such a thing.
I rely on Jehovah. I pray to stay firm and loyal. It’s not always easy. My mother is in a nursing home now. I fulfill my Christian obligation to make sure her physical needs are met, but I don’t visit her. The children don’t visit her. Sometimes that causes a problem with the staff at the nursing home.”
Is this how Jehovah wants you to be and to treat your parents like this sister has decided she is required?
Update:Some of the conversation I omitted....
I am healthy, thanks to my mother. I needed a kidney transplant and she was a match. So she gave me a kidney. The Friends were wonderful at this time and did what they could to help my mother through her recovery. They made sure the other three children were cared for.
Another asked, "Well it certainly sounds like she started out as a very faithful servant of Jehovah!"
She was. She leaned so heavily on Jehovah for those years, and she taught us children to do so too. We were all baptized and married in the Truth. My brother is an elder and my two sisters pioneer. I pioneered for a while, but then I had two children of my own. My second child was born prematurely. That’s common in women with kidney transplants. My mother was right there tirelessly taking care of my toddler and supporting me...........................
Update 3:@Precisho, let me understand your request, you want me to look up the lies of the society on their site to see what the truth is and not to rely on what many people here that I trust are telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Sorry, I look up your site to find the many, many errors and then ask questions here about those errors like this one. But thank you for your offer.
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Yes. It's the truth. They are trying to water it down by saying things, like, If we work with them. . . or necessary business. . . but did you notice one person actually said they wouldn't UNNECESSARILY interact with a person that leaves the religion. LOL. That means they wouldn't say a GREETING! Wow. Heartless monsters, aren't they?
Anyway, the story is Satirical, but the fact is this is exactly how they are told to respond in situations such as these, so it could even to turn out to be true. Talk to former JW's. They will tell you how they learned about family deaths weeks later, or how they were shunned and mistreated when they attended the memorial services of loved ones who have died. Talk to young JW's who were thrown out of their homes, unprepared, for the sin of not wanting to be JW's anymore.
They will come here and try to dress it up and roll it in sugar, but the facts remain. No matter how sweetly they say it, no matter how they love bomb newcomers, they are willing to shun without question their children, grandchildren, friends, parents. It doesn't matter if they are sick, old, dying, whatever. The most faithful JW will be commended for their willingess to discard those they are supposed to love. So if a JW comes to your door and warns you that a sign of the end is a lack of natural affection, you can kind of chuckle knowing they lack it most of all.
The full article is here: http://jehovahstrumpet.com/faithful-daughter-shuns...
Why dont you like getting the correct information first below you jump into conclusion? Where is an article from our official website (jw.org) Do You Shun Former Members of
Your Religion? Those who were baptized as
Jehovah’s Witnesses but no longer
preach to others, perhaps even
drifting away from association with
fellow believers, are not shunned. In
fact, we reach out to them and try to rekindle their spiritual interest. We do not automatically disfellowship
someone who commits a serious sin.
If, however, a baptized Witness makes
a practice of breaking the Bible’s moral
code and does not repent, he or she
will be shunned or disfellowshipped. The Bible clearly states: “Remove the
wicked man from among
yourselves.”—1 Corinthians 5:13. What of a man who is
disfellowshipped but whose wife and
children are still Jehovah’s Witnesses?
The religious ties he had with his
family change, but blood ties remain.
The marriage relationship and normal family affections and dealings
continue. Disfellowshipped individuals may
attend our religious services. If they
wish, they may also receive spiritual
counsel from congregation elders. The
goal is to help each individual once
more to qualify to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Disfellowshipped people
who reject improper conduct and
demonstrate a sincere desire to live by
the Bible’s standards are always
welcome to become members of the
congregation again.
Greetings,
First, I’m not even going to comment on how illogical it would be to accept the ridiculous idea that the WTS “joined” the UN by becoming an NGO! Nor will I point out that in order for someone to be Dfed they would have had to be blatantly running around publicly preaching this obvious slander.
Now, as a general rule, Witnesses do NOT break off *all* communication with a family member who is disfellowshiped except in extreme cases where such contact would put them in danger. While JWs follow the Scriptural command to break off close association with an unrepentant sinner they are still counseled to take care of any family needs.
Even more, if a disfellowshiped family member became destitute then Witnesses would make sure that they were taken care of and can even let them live in their house–if they do not bring a corruptive life-style into the home. If someone’s family has cut off ALL communication with them, it often tells us more about the individual than it does about the JW family!
The sad truth of the matter is that willful, incorrigible sinners are the ones who have “abandoned” their families and Jehovah.
At the same time, except in the case of dependant ones, Christians do follow God’s instructions and cut off all unnecessary communication with those who have abandoned Jehovah. Family members are part of the Christian fellowship, so you cannot exclude them from the rules. The Bible does NOT say: “stop associating. . .unless it’s a family member.” In fact, Christ showed that his faithful followers might have to lose family–or at least be willing to if needed (Mt.10:32-37; Lk.12:51-53; 14:26, cf. Mt.12:46-50; Mk 3:31-35).
All Jehovah’s Laws are designed to “benefit us” and that is something guaranteed by Jehovah (Isa.48:17-19). While it may bring us great pain we must have faith that the end result will turn out the best it possibly can (Ps.15:4). Jehovah is the creator and He knows the effect it has on the one expelled. We must have faith that if it were not beneficial, Jehovah would not have required it. We can be sure that no *righteous* individual will be permanently damaged or lost in the long run (Jn 10:27-29; Rm.11:22).
The Bible states that God is the epitome of love (1Jn.4:8). Yet He required His people to “remove” wicked ones from all fellowship by stoning and He personally destroyed apostates (Gen.3:23; 4:11,16; Lev. 10:2; Num. 16:31,32; Lam. 3:37-45; 2Pt 2:4). Disfellowshipping was established by Christ himself (Mt.18:17; 22:12,13; 25:30; 13:49-50; 24:51; Rev 3:15-16). And in the Bible Jehovah inspired the command to disfellowship, repeatedly stating that Christians should "remove the wicked person" from fellowship (1Cor.5:11-13; 6:9,10,14; 2Cor.6:14-18; Tit 1:5-11; 2:1,15; 3:10-11; Rm.16:17,18; 2Thes.3:6,14; 1Tim.1:3,19,20; ; 5:17-20; 6:2-5; 6:3-5; 2Jn. 8-11; etc. etc. etc).
So, any condemnation of Witnesses on this matter also condemns the Apostles, first century Christians and even God Himself since God originated this mandate.
Commentators throughout history have recognized that shunning does not compromise showing true love for others:
Barnes' Notes say: "The meaning of this is, cease to have religious intercourse with him, to acknowledge him as a brother. Regard him as obstinate, self-willed, and guilty...we should disown him as a Christian brother...THIS IS THE ONLY WAY OF KINDNESS. This is the only way to preserve peace and purity in the church."
Eerdman's Dictionary of the Bible says: "Excommunication. The permanent or temporary exclusion of a church member from fellowship within the community. This practice ... served 2 purposes. First, it protects the community from the harmful influence of the sinner (1Cor.5:6-7). Second, it reminds the sinner of the sin (2Cor. 2:7) in the hope that repentance (7:9) and redemption occur...Sinners should be dealt with quickly and seriously for both the health of the community and the spiritual health of the offender."
It serves as a protection for Christians and keeps the congregation free from unclean and destructive influences (Jas. 1:27). It also serves as a "wake-up call" to deliberate sinners and urges them to correct their thinking. Even when the wrongdoer is not benefited because of stubbornly refusing correction, it shows love for the rest of the congregation who are protected.
While incorrigible sinners will complain about how they were "mistreated" and try to misrepresent the process as cruel, in actuality it is a very loving arrangement. It would be extremely unloving for God to just allow willfully wicked individuals to continue to cause problems for righteous individuals. It would be unloving for a religion to allow practicing sinners to remain in fellowship with true Christians.
Yours,
BAR-ANERGES
God doesn't ant them to treat their parents this way.... but the Watchtower does and so they will do it.
If you go against the accepted "light" you will be shunned. If you don't accept their reasonigs and explanations, you are an apostate.
It doesn't matter how small the matter.
I was having a discussion with someone who was confused over the literature, and told them "they used to sell the magazines but not anymore." My sister heard me, and the vitriol with which she responded was amazing. I was telling "lies" and "persecuting her beliefs" over a simple true and verifiable statement. But she wasn't interested in verifying the statement because what I said was against her precious organization.
This is a common ailment among JWs. the compelte inability to think critically outside the confines of their Watchtower, and the passionate unreasonable objection to any and all dissent...
And if you do dissent, you threaten their power, and so you must be shunned.
Actually you probably know that is not true if you have talked to the elders. But you are someone I see posting a lot of stuff against us on here. When someone rebels against Jehovah we do not spend UN-NECESSARY time with them (Such as recreation and greeting them) . But Jehovah understands when it comes to serious health issues that you mention. There is plenty of information on this if you took time to research it. Plus, when we end up in the same workplace as ones we may have to deal with ones on a professional basis. But they know we do not just hold casual conversation beyond what is necessary.
(1 Corinthians 5:11-13) . . .But now I am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.”
To read the entire SATIRICAL conversation quoted in I TRY's question, visit:
http://jehovahstrumpet.com/faithful-daughter-shuns...
That's truly disgusting. Yet another example of families being torn apart by religious dogma. I have no problem with religion, until someone uses it to hurt someone else.
And what's wrong with the UN anyway? Aren't they helped countries in poverty and trying to stop wars and things? I though that God wanted us all to live in peace and be charitable!
God never gave the commandment "honour your father and mother as long as they believe what the \Jehovah witnesses preach
Believe me. Its not just JWs who shun family. Mine shun me for being gay, many of them