Why would a Mormon gent say there is no way to prove or disprove god’s existence one way or the other ..........then also?
...say atheism is irrational/illogical? I mean, isn’t that a rather dishonest thing to say about the atheist position if we really cannot know for sure?
The truth is, God's presence has always been a personal mental experience within the mind of the devout and the question of His existence necessarily boils down to whether God is an actual part of objective physical reality. To this day, Christians continue to rely on their imagination and their own subjective mental experiences to supposedly verify God's existence.
Meanwhile, educated scientists and engineers know that only the physical realm objectively exists and are scrupulously careful to never confuse their own mental experiences with objectively reality. If your "Mormon gent" had a modern scientific education, he would understand that God is a subjective mental phenomenon that has no actual objective physical existence. ...and if he were honest, he would admit that Christianity has been deliberately confusing the subjective experience of God's presence with His actual objective existence since about the time of Christ.
The truth is, humanity discovered the difference between the objective and the subjective around the middle of the seventeenth century, which is what the Enlightenment was all about and is why humanity now enjoys the many benefits of scientific thinking.
An agnostic would say that Gods can't be known. As an atheist I agree with that. But I'm 110% sure that none of the tens of thousands of Gods that we see in history are real...
The existence of God is a philosophical argument, not a religious one. Theist religions like the Mormons take the existence of God as a prerequisite. Atheist religions like hedonism and Marxist-Leninism take the non-existence of God as a prerequisite. Philosophy can prove God's existence but doesn't tell us what God is like and whether anything is required of us - that's where religion comes in.
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The truth is, God's presence has always been a personal mental experience within the mind of the devout and the question of His existence necessarily boils down to whether God is an actual part of objective physical reality. To this day, Christians continue to rely on their imagination and their own subjective mental experiences to supposedly verify God's existence.
Meanwhile, educated scientists and engineers know that only the physical realm objectively exists and are scrupulously careful to never confuse their own mental experiences with objectively reality. If your "Mormon gent" had a modern scientific education, he would understand that God is a subjective mental phenomenon that has no actual objective physical existence. ...and if he were honest, he would admit that Christianity has been deliberately confusing the subjective experience of God's presence with His actual objective existence since about the time of Christ.
The truth is, humanity discovered the difference between the objective and the subjective around the middle of the seventeenth century, which is what the Enlightenment was all about and is why humanity now enjoys the many benefits of scientific thinking.
it would be his personal opinion, not actual church doctrine, imo. because i always say that there is proof of God all around us.
Apparently they believe theirs was/is the only one mankind has created or offered.
An agnostic would say that Gods can't be known. As an atheist I agree with that. But I'm 110% sure that none of the tens of thousands of Gods that we see in history are real...
Somebody show me I'm wrong...
The existence of God is a philosophical argument, not a religious one. Theist religions like the Mormons take the existence of God as a prerequisite. Atheist religions like hedonism and Marxist-Leninism take the non-existence of God as a prerequisite. Philosophy can prove God's existence but doesn't tell us what God is like and whether anything is required of us - that's where religion comes in.
then theism must be illogical too based on that logic.
Many people are agnostic.