Many have never considered that God could choose to control some things and leave other things free to happen without any control of any kind.
Next, many presume without examination the old idea from the 19th century of nature as fully deterministic -- the old "clockwork Universe", where everything is determined ahead of time -- a view which modern physics does not support.
It is only consistent with the Bible to say God controls some key things yet leaves us free to choose much without any kind of interference at all.
It appears very likely in modern physics that some true randomness is built into nature, though we haven't proven it with 100% certainty yet.
Partial randomness in nature would imply God intentionally created nature to have some true unpredictability. This wouldn't be a problem for Him though. Just like with weather forecasting, He could still see likelihoods, for instance, and broad trends, and patterns, all we ourselves can do with weather. He'd could control in the big picture sense with key interventions, and would never need to control anything in the small picture sense. Storms, cancer, butterflies -- all just physics and chemistry in action with some randomness. It might even be that a soul would require some kind of quantum randomness as it interacts with nature, but this is merely a speculation of mine. A soul could be unlike nature......
Don't even need that since no one's ever proved God's existence. In fact, don't need any argument against God's existence. That'd be a debate. Truth is not the product of a debate.
It's a sloppy argument, in that it assumes that God must experience time sequentially, as we do. It depends on the notion that God does not know the future until it happens to God.
That is not, as C.S. Lewis has pointed out, a satisfactory understanding of eternity.
If you define god as omnipotent, omniscient, all loving and all caring, then look for something possessing those attributes that actually exists in reality..you will immediately see that your god does not exist.
Look , I know you will not understand this but the human brain, i.e..thought, cannot ever know the truth about this. God is beyong thought , beyond what the limited mind can conceive of. Leave it at that.
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Omnipotence and omniscience are mutually exclusives.
Omnipotence is the quality of having unlimited power.
Omniscience is the capacity to know everything, even the future.
So if god knows the future, he cannot change it, or it will not be the future at all, just an empty vision of something that will never happen.
He cannot change the future : so he is not omnipotent.
He can change what he saw : that was not the future, so he is not omniscient.
A god who is not capable to change anything is not a god at all.
Many have never considered that God could choose to control some things and leave other things free to happen without any control of any kind.
Next, many presume without examination the old idea from the 19th century of nature as fully deterministic -- the old "clockwork Universe", where everything is determined ahead of time -- a view which modern physics does not support.
It is only consistent with the Bible to say God controls some key things yet leaves us free to choose much without any kind of interference at all.
It appears very likely in modern physics that some true randomness is built into nature, though we haven't proven it with 100% certainty yet.
Partial randomness in nature would imply God intentionally created nature to have some true unpredictability. This wouldn't be a problem for Him though. Just like with weather forecasting, He could still see likelihoods, for instance, and broad trends, and patterns, all we ourselves can do with weather. He'd could control in the big picture sense with key interventions, and would never need to control anything in the small picture sense. Storms, cancer, butterflies -- all just physics and chemistry in action with some randomness. It might even be that a soul would require some kind of quantum randomness as it interacts with nature, but this is merely a speculation of mine. A soul could be unlike nature......
Don't even need that since no one's ever proved God's existence. In fact, don't need any argument against God's existence. That'd be a debate. Truth is not the product of a debate.
True, there is, but the argument falls apart with the correct definitions of the words "omnipotence" and "omniscience" as they apply to God.
It's a sloppy argument, in that it assumes that God must experience time sequentially, as we do. It depends on the notion that God does not know the future until it happens to God.
That is not, as C.S. Lewis has pointed out, a satisfactory understanding of eternity.
If you define god as omnipotent, omniscient, all loving and all caring, then look for something possessing those attributes that actually exists in reality..you will immediately see that your god does not exist.
Even omnipotence by itself is a logical impossibility. The old 'make a rock so heavy he can't lift it' scenario.
True. It's called The Riddle of Epicurus, or the problem of evil.
Look , I know you will not understand this but the human brain, i.e..thought, cannot ever know the truth about this. God is beyong thought , beyond what the limited mind can conceive of. Leave it at that.
There are many illogical and/or invald arguments of that stripe, yes.