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We still believe that only 144,000 will go to heaven to be co-rulers with Jesus Christ in the heavenly kingdom that will rule earth after the end of this system of things.

We have never changed that. And we do not know if they will all go before or after the end.

Why dont you read up on it on our website which I have sited below.

I think it is a matter of not keeping in contact in whatever manner you had in the past.

Discussions and considerations of the 144,000 are very often - and was pointed out, the number of times that the 144,000 - by that number or another term (heavenly class, anointed, etc) was very, very, often on Friday's program at the District Convention.

We devote at least two months a year to our Memorial season - where the remaining ones of the 144,000 partake of the bread and wine at a yearly observance. The reason for the partaking, who partake, inviting friends, family, visitors with special invitations is a large part of our activity during that time period.

Our magazines and literature regularly discuss the 144,000. I invite you to go out on www.watchtower.org and look for the publication "What Does the Bible Really Teach". This is a current Bible study aid that is printed in scores of languages worldwide.

On page 206 and 207, there is a discussion of the 144,000 in the Appendix.

We offer this book on a regular basis to others in our door to door ministry.

I hear the term regularly in the congregation, we regularly discuss their future role, and I have had the privilege, both past and present to know a few of these individuals. Young and old are among the current number.

The 144,000 kings and priests are mentioned in the Bible (Revelation 20:4 and 6, Revelation 14:1-4). So it isn't a matter that Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong on this, because the Bible is RIGHT.

Jehovah's Witnesses- Does it make sense that God's true channel, as you say you are, would publish false info? Having to make "adjustments?" Really????

I've asked the questions about God living on a star in the pleiades and the great pyramid of egypt. I've learned of the changing doctrine, the back and forth nature of beliefs, the changing of medical beliefs, etc. Answers from JW's struck out at the mistakes and changes made in other religions, which they call false religions. They say that with new discoveries, come changes. To compare a "false" religion's mistakes with the mistakes of the so called "only true channel of God" just proves that their religion is also false. Funny, the Zion's Watchtower explicitly states that... "If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now; But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older light, but adds to it..." Zions' Watchtower, February, 1881, p. 3

So, even in explaining these mistakes away, JW's are proving the word that is being given to them is not from the mouth of God. God makes no mistakes in the truth and if JW's were truly receiving it, they would see how much bull they are being handed. How do you explain that one?

Then, be scared to ask questions in your meetings because you know that if you go there, you will be disfellowshipped and shunned by your family and friends. Great reason to follow after what someone else says.

I guess you have stopped getting your person copies of the Watchtower. During 2010 there were 22 references to the 144,000 in 9 articles over the 12 months.

And if you stop by a District Convention this summer, you would hear the 144,000 spoken of on Friday's session, including the question, Will we ever know who made up that 144,000?

Harpazo = Rapture

END-TIME BIBLE PROPHECY

The Messiah Lord Jesus said BIRTH PANGS would signal the time of the end (Matthew 24:8). There are NINE birth pangs, they are all PRE-TRIBULATIONAL and the 1st three already occurred.

The first birth pang was worldwide conflict coupled with famines and earthquakes (Matthew 24:7-8). Worldwide conflict was fulfilled in 1914-1918, major famines happened in 1918-1921 and most of the world’s major earthquakes began to occur since 1900.

The second birth pang was the restoration of a Jewish State (Ezekiel 20:33-38; Ezekiel 22:17-22; Ezekiel 36:22-24; Zephaniah 2:1-2). This was fulfilled in 1948.

The third birth pang was Jewish control of the Old City of Jerusalem (Revelation 11:1-2). For the third Jewish Temple (Tribulation Temple) to be rebuilt, Jerusalem needs to be under Jewish control and this was accomplished in the Six Day War in 1967.

The fourth birth pang will be the Ezekiel 38 war. Russia, allied states of Iran, Ethiopia, Somalia, Germany and Armenia will invade Israel. God will miraculously destroy the invading army by earthquake, civil war among the invading soldiers, pestilence, blood, flood, hailstones, fire and brimstone. This will bring a revival in Israel where many Jews will turn to the Lord, and Israel will spend 7 years and 7 months burying the bodies and burning for fuel the military equipment left behind (Ezekiel 39:9-16).

The 5th birth pang will be the development of a one world government (Daniel 7:23-24).

The 6th birth pang will be the splitting of the one world government into 10 kingdoms and this Ten Kingdom Stage will continue until mid-Tribulation (Daniel 7:24).

The 7th birth pang will be the revelation of the Antichrist (II Thessalonians 2:1-3; Daniel 7:24).

The 8th birth pang will be a period of peace and false security that will be shattered by the Tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:1-3).

The 9th and final birth pang before the Tribulation is the signing of the 7-year covenant between Israel and the Antichrist. THIS EVENT IS WHAT BEGINS THE (7-year) TRIBULATION - NOT THE RAPTURE!

The Rapture of the Church (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18) is also a pre-tribulational event (Luke 21:34-37; 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10; 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10; Revelation 3:10; Revelation 19:6-8). The fact that the Church is not mentioned in any of the Tribulation Scriptures proves the Rapture is pre-tribulational. All raptured Christians will receive glorified bodies (Romans 8:22-23; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54)) and it can happen at any second.

THE FIRST HALF OF THE TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES IN REVELATION 6-9 AND 17)

The Ministry of 144,000 sealed Jewish believers will bring many throughout the world to accept Christ.

There will be a powerful Ministry of Two Witnesses who will also be anointed Jewish believers.

A one world religious system (Babylon the Harlot) will rule. Under this one world religious system, many who are saved during the Tribulation will suffer persecution and death.

The Political system of the 10 kings of the one world government will continue.

During the first half of the Tribulation there will also be war, worldwide famine, death (1/4 of the world’s population will die), a huge earthquake, a blackout and a meteor shower. 1/3 of earth’s dry surface will be destroyed, 1/3 sea life and salt water will be destroyed, a fallen angel called Wormwood will make 1/3 of earth’s fresh water bitter, 1/3 of earth’s natural light sources will be destroyed, there will be another blackout and demons in the form of “locust-scorpions” will come up out of the abyss led by Abaddon their king and they will inflict harm and pain for five months upon those who are not sealed by God (unbelievers). Another demonic invasion will occur and the demons involved will be led by four fallen angels who will be released from the Euphrates River and this army will kill 1/3 of the earth’s population.

MID-TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES IN REVELATION 10-14 AND 17)

The Antichrist will war against the 10 kings, and during the war the Antichrist will be killed.

Satan will be cast out of the atmospheric heavens onto earth and will resurrect the Antichrist.

The Antichrist will kill 3 kings (the kings of Syria, Egypt and Mesopotamia) and the 7 other kings will submit to him.

The Antichrist will kill the Two Witnesses in Jerusalem and the wicked people will celebrate this event. Three and a half days afterwards, God will resurrect the Two Witnesses and take them up to Heaven and the people who celebrated will become terrified. The city of Jerusalem where the murder of the Two Witnesses occurred will then suffer an earthquake which will kill 7,000 people.

The False Prophet will receive from Satan the power to perform great miracles and will deceive many. The False Prophet will command all people to worship the Antichrist and have persons create an image to the Antichrist. The False Prophet will use his satanic powers to give it life and the ability to speak. The False Prophet will cause those who refuse to worship the Antichrist and the image to be killed.

The False Prophet will issue his own counterfeit seal known as the Mark of the Beast and it will be placed on all those who surrender to the Antichrist’s authority and accept him as god. Those who refuse to take this mark will not be able to buy or sell. Those who take this mark will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.

The Antichrist will break the seven-year covenant he made with Israel, cause the sacrifices to stop, sit in the Jewish Temple, declare to the world that he is really God and set up an idol called the Abomination of Desolation in the Temple (Daniel 9:27; Daniel 12:11; Matthew 24:15-16; 11Thessalonians 2:3-4; Revelation 13:11-15).

Through the Antichrist and the False Prophet, Satan will attempt to destroy the Jews once and for all but he will fail because 1/3 of the Jews will succeed in fleeing into the wilderness. These Jews who escape will accept the Lord Jesus as their Saviour during the Tribulation (Zechariah 13:7-9) and while they are in hiding, God will miraculously provide for them (Zechariah 13:8-9; Isaiah 41:17-20). Divine intervention will also destroy the pursuing army.

THE SECOND HALF OF THE TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES FOUND IN REVELATION 15, 16, 18, 19, 20)

In the second half of the Tribulation, those with the Mark of the Beast will suffer skin sores, the remainder of sea water and fresh water will be destroyed, the sun will cause terrible burns and the wicked will blaspheme God. There will be yet another blackout and persons will suffer gnawing pains.

Babylon will be the center of world economy and political system but Babylon will be swiftly destroyed by fire and become uninhabitable for man.

The Antichrist will locate the Jews who sought refuge in the wilderness and surround them with his armies to wipe them out. The Lord Jesus will then descend from Heaven with His angels and Saints. He will come with great glory riding upon a horse and will destroy the Antichrist, the False Prophet and all of their armies. After this, a loud voice will cry out “It is done!” followed by the greatest earthquake in the earth’s history and hail weighing 120 pounds will fall.

At the end of the Tribulation, there will be another blackout, the stars will fall from the sky and the heavenly bodies will be shaken (Matthew 24:29), the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be thrown into the eternal Lake of Fire and Satan will be cast into the Abyss and bound for 1,000 years.

THE MILLENNIUM

The Lord Jesus will reign over the entire earth during the Millennium. The Jewish and Gentile believers who survive the Tribulation will go on to populate the Millennium. Believers who died before and during the Tribulation and believers who were raptured will be present on earth during the Millennium and because they will have glorified bodies they will not reproduce. All believers will be given special tasks by the Lord Jesus (Revelation 20:4-6). There will be no wars (Isaiah 2:2-4), animals will return to the Edenic state and become vegetarians (Isaiah 11:6-9), people will not labour in vain but eat what they plant and inhabit what they build, there will be renovations in the heavens and earth and there will be righteous and unrighteous children born during the Millennium (Isaiah 65:17-25).

At the end of the Millennium, Satan will be loosed from the Abyss and will deceive and gather the unrighteous for a war against the righteous. This will be his final attempt to destroy the righteous and when the unrighteous of the Millennium surround the good people, God will send fire down from Heaven which will suddenly and massively annihilate all of the wicked people. Satan will then be cast into the Lake of Fire where he will remain in torment for eternity (Revelation 20:7-10).

THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT

The Great White Throne Judgment will be the next main event. The old heavens and earth will be done away with and all will stand before God’s throne to be judged (Revelation 20:11-12). Those whose names are not found written in the Book of Life will be cast into the Lake of Fire which will be their final and eternal abode (Revelation 20:14-15).

THE ETERNAL ORDER (REVELATION 21 AND 22)

Those whose names are found in the Book of Life will enjoy paradise with God forever. The heavens and earth will be made new and the New Jerusalem will come down upon the earth making the earth like Heaven. All curses from the fall will be removed and the earth will be inhabited by the Triune God (The Father, Son and Holy Spirit), all angels and all of the righteous. The seas, moon, night and sun will be done away with and the glory of God will illuminate the earth. The River of Life will flow from God’s throne, the Tree of Life will bear health-giving fruits and leaves and the name of Jesus will be on the foreheads of all of the righteous.

God’s Plan of Salvation for Us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZkDk1GZ7do

Are you speaking in general or in their literature? To my knowledge the Jehovah's Witnesses still teach and believe that there will be 144,000 co-rulers with Christ Jesus.

However, there was a change a few years ago. It had been taught for over 50 years that the year 1935 was the cutoff date for anyone being of this anointed class. Which led to much speculation among the Witnesses. One would have to have been baptized prior to 1935 to be a member of this class. Unless someone was unfaithful, he/she would be replaced.

As the years went by and this group grew older, much speculation was promoted that the end was near, because the generation would not end until Matthew 24 would be fulfilled.

A few years ago the Watchtower informed the Jehovah's Witnesses that 1935 was simply a "tradition" and not a doctrine (I beg to differ, and so does the early literature of that time). Thus they no longer believe 1935 was the cut off date, and that the door to be of the anointed class (144,000) is still open. Which led to a slight increase of memorial partakers in recent years.

That being said, the Society still believe in the 144,000 co-rulers. THis of course can change, as the Society has been known to make changes in their beliefs. Only time will tell.

Of course we mention them, regularly

Revelation 14:1 shows the number of those who will rule with Jesus <------- See? that's me mentioning the 144,000.

I'm happy to oblige

anymore?

JWs accept what Revelation 14:3 says....what is it??...that 144,000 are redeem from earth to be in heaven as a corulers with Jesus as Revelation 5:9-10 says.

If Jesus will rules the earth then there must be humans in earth to be ruled by him....and they are the great crowd.

We do. We discuss them all the time.

Maybe next time some thought before posting will be in order. You clearly know nothing about Jehovah's Witnesses.

We mention the 144,000 very often,because we have the truth. It's not our fault that you don't.