the bad guys will still have their guns and you will be lost when they rob you or your home. seeing you live in grandma's basement you wouldn't want her to be robbed,

Hey low: You do know, there is no law forcing you to live in the US, right? Please...feel free to pack up and move to any anti-gun country that will have you, good luck !

from my cold dead hand

u bloody bahstad

It was about users, not guns.

Yea right!

And, if only it were illegal to possess a car that can go faster than 15 Mph there would be fewer collision-fatalities too,,

but predictably more people getting beaten to death with Tire-wrenches in traffic-jams,,,,

Since the constitution give us this right the number of deaths (not that they are related) has anything to do with the right.

"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

The reason the right to bear arms is part of our constitution is because it ensures the possibility for the general population to revolt against the government if needs be. We need to preserve the possibility for revolt because it ensures that our government cannot evolve into a totalitarian state. It may seem like that may never happen in your eyes, but how much of the world have your eyes seen? Be honest with yourself. The reality is that democracies can devolve into dictatorships without such safeguards, and this has happened repeatedly in the past century.

A few hundred kids have died from school shootings [1]. That is tragic. However, that number absolutely pales in comparison to the hundreds of thousands that gave their lives to preserve the principles our country was founded upon [2]. If you cannot respect those that died bringing you the liberties you now enjoy, then I personally see you as a coward who deserves neither liberty nor safety.

Never give up your freedoms. Always fight for more.

"Gun supporters are selfish dirtbags who only care about themselves."

I swore an oath to protect our country from enemies, both foreign and domestic. I have risked my life to preserve our freedoms. I support gun ownership.

What have you done?

EDIT:

"You are blind if you think that civilians with guns would have any chance against the United States government. They have bombs and nukes. You really think civilians could defeat the army?"

I understand where you are coming from, and I agree with you that the U.S. military could wipe out our populace if that was their end game. A rifle is nothing in the face of a gunship, let alone a nuke.

However, wiping out the population would not be the end game of a totalitarian regime. To wipe everyone out would be self-defeating; there would be nothing to build a country upon. Their end game would entail beating those who dissent into submission.

Beating people into submission requires controlling territory. Controlling territory requires pacifying all those who fight against that control.

Under that paradigm, I know that our populace could defeat our army.

If that seems like a ridiculous claim to you, then I ask that you consider the following. Who knows your own home and your own land better than you do? No one. Firepower is one tactical advantage, but so is knowing the terrain. The fact is that a handful of committed individuals can hold off an army when they know the terrain and their adversaries do not [3] (note: I do not condone the actions of the people involved in the standoff in the link, I am simply using that scenario to illustrate that a few individuals literally can keep an army in check).

For whatever it's worth, I do not think your position is a "stupid" one; the fact is that innocent people die because of our gun laws. The loss of innocent lives is a serious matter, and should not be taken lightly. I respect that.

That said, the reason for my response is that I think your position is naive. Not "naive" in the sense that it is completely invalid (no one wants innocent lives to be lost), but "naive" in the sense that it is not taking into account how awful the alternative can be. The United States is the front line for human freedom. Our military is the one that fights the wars that need to be fought, and the reality is that no one else is stepping up to the plate. I have seen the United Nations commitment to conflicts, and it is simply pathetic. We (the U.S.) are the end of the line. If our country falls, then the world falls. NOTHING is more important than ensuring that never happens.

"You are a veteran so I don’t want to disrespect you, therefore I will spare you the harsh language I used on your fellow gun lovers."

I appreciate that. Thank you.

So, it sounds like you would support the expansion of "stop and frisk" laws that allow police to stop people on the street and see if they are illegally carrying a gun. If the started doing that in Chicago a lot of innocent children's lives would be saved.

And their childish fantasies about how a handful of gun crazies w/ no money , no popular support , no military grade weapons are going to be able to defeat the combined forces of the US military and law enforcement establishments

Just a hint, starting a statement with "No offence" then ending it by calling the target audience of the statement "selfish dirtbags" is a bit contradictory.

You'd be better off starting with the insult and not apologising for it.